Posts by A Paduan

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One iota

by peacefulpete in

this topic deserves much more time and space than i can give it.

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A Paduan

To those who feel Jewish messianism was the home soil of the new faith then the form Christos (word coined as rough equivilant of Hebrew Messiah) would be assumed the original with Chrestus being a corruption. Interstingly Gnostic Christains felt the two terms were grades of initiation, the newbie convert called Chrestus until reaching full intiation and annointing then called Christus. They (broad brush) felt Jesus was not the only Christus but all could attain to this Christus state. ( Makes me think of Paul.)

I wouldn't say one had to be the original - there are two considerations - they can simply be parallel notions of the time

Interestingly the gnostic understanding isn't too far removed from the idea of baptism with water, and spirit - but it seems that there may have been men involved judging an orderley second step (accurate knowledge? lol)

Regarding "christian" - if one follows Russell, one is a Russellite - if one follows the annointed (christus), they are christian - they may be annointed too, or a son, as He is a son etc.

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"Damned Forever."

by scout575 in

"the christian church is a clever mix of psychological tactics.

having got you in with a promise of 'free' salvation, they keep you there with psychological blackmail.".

"the christian church is as guilty of the tricks used by cults which it purports to detest ( moonies, mormons, jehovah's witnesses et alia ).

A Paduan

Scout,

I wonder that you remain a jw - because of that 'either jw or a christian church' thing you've got going

"The christian church is........" Who's "the christian church" ?

Your posts are continually painting all the christian churches (except jws) with the same brush. Perhaps it is that you are in America where many 'christian churches' are simply different forms of fundamentalism, and that this is your experience of 'christian church'.

It may sound more convincing if you proposed, "If you are a jw who is considering leaving and joining a different fundamentalist group, please read google first."

However, even then, the chances are you'd be a lot better off.

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1000 Year Reign of Christ - A little help please

by rassillon in

ok all you wile e. coyote super genius types.... .

i have been looking at some of russell's charts and such and it is indicated that the millinial reign of christ would have begun in 1874 new understanding 1914..... .

does this mean that we are now living nearly a 100 years into the 1000 year reign?

A Paduan

Inkie --- Good point but there is a literal 1k millenial reign

It's interesting that this is such a core belief of breakaway and newer religious groups, particularly the American evangelical born again breakaway groups and those that demonise the older more established church - despite any scripture to the contrary, they insist on this as fundamental truth - the mellenialism impetence is a strange insistence, not unlike 'fds' or 'the truth' and such things.

ducks for cover......

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Correlation between personality types and religio-spiritual leanings?

by daystar in

someone in a completely different segment of associates from you old ex-jws here posed this wish:.

i've often wished someone would do a study to see if there is a real correlation between personality type and religious/spiritual leanings.

i've long noticed that in fantasy subcultures and "new" religions, as well as those that attract many adult converts (and have trouble retaining people born into the faith), the same types keep showing up.

A Paduan

I've often wondered whether the wtbts produces jws, or whether jws produce the wtbts

I think it takes two types

those with low ability or dignity or dullness of life who are willing to be subjected to others
those with low ability or dignity or dullness of life with a narcissistic tendency to lord it over them

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Celebrated WT scholars? :)

by Augustin in

prof lester l. grabbe on rolf furuli's "oslo chronology":.

"once again we have an amateur who wants to rewrite scholarship" (jsot 28:5 [2004], p. 42).. ...celebrated wt scholars?

--augustin --

A Paduan

I fear that cowardice is the nature and spirit of apostates.
scholar JW

Why is that ? - the fear thing

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Some nazis used to be eugenics scholars - I imagine other nazis celebrated the fact
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different scholars come from a different schools of thought - some more narrow than others

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Seven heads and Ten horns...

by Jim_TX in

okay... i was just sitting here reading through the postings, and got the thought.... how many different 'organizations' has the wtbts formed?

i know that they have created several in the last few years... but am not sure what are their names (and don't really care, that much).. if i am not mistaken... are there 10 'leaders' of the 'society' now?

hahahahaha... .

A Paduan

The idea of those conventions in the big arenas where everyone is worshipping an imaginary god who is like a man who is like a beast, and buying and selling their love only to the others who are willing to worship the image

freaky

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Watchtower Paradoxes

by jwfacts in

a couple of weeks ago there was a post about watchtower circular reasoning, or paradoxes.

it fits very well with an article i wrote so i have included a couple of examples.

thanks to whoever posted the idea and sorry that i can't remember who it was.. .

A Paduan

But how do I know jwism is true and that other people are controlled by satan
Because when you become a jw your family won't want you to
I became a jw and my family didn't like it
ok, jwism must be true and my family are satan
wow, we must be the wisest people on earth

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This is an odd example of a Witness at my door, any one heard of this?

by free2beme in

jw
friends

about two weeks ago i was in the front yard on a saturday and washing one of the cars.

i looked down the street and saw two woman in dresses walking from house to house, with a young child in a suit.

of course, i knew they were witnesses and i knew they would be at my door soon.

A Paduan

They canvas the area compiling addresses of hearing impaired ones

That language is so unfortunate - try "hearing impaired people"

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Did Jesus put him self in the background?';;

by architect in

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we all know that wtbs does not put a lot of emphasis on jesus, yet when needed highlight his example and the importance of his name despite all the scriptural reference about how jehovah made him important, superior and have alot of authority, yet when you read his life course he took all emphasis off himself and put it on his father.. with that being said, the way the wtbs is putting him in the background so to speak, isnt this the way jesus would want?

A Paduan

How's your relationship with your dad ? through him all things were made

I am the way, the truth and the light he who has seen me has seen the father

I wouldn't say totally in the background

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The Dangers of Independent Thinking

by daystar in

"the dangers of independent thinking".

reading mary's thread regarding the july 15th wt, i began to really consider what the wbts' problem is with "independent thinking".. what exactly is "independent thinking" and what about its opposite, "dependent thinking"?

i think the following excerpt from an article here does a good job of defining them.

A Paduan

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were independent - they wrestled with God

Denying ones own belief is a dishonest and fearful response in attempted preservation, at the expense of the soul - it's effeminate

Is a god told what to think and believe? Discussion and s uggestion is one thing - demand is another Ye are gods

What does it mean "we have the mind of Christ" - what's His mind ? - I am who I am - if I agree with you, well and good - if not, we'll talk and see where we go from there Some call it freewill